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| SirParagon | Feb 9 2012, 05:46 AM Post #31 |
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The thing is, there has never in the history of humanity existed a free-market anarchy, so a lot of what I tend to propose is just theoretical, but not the kind of 'it works in theory' communism is - in that it has been tried and failed numerous times. As for Socialism vs Communism, socialism refers to the economy while communism is political. Naturally they are suited to occur simultaneously just like how Democracy seems to gravitate toward Capitalism. I also fail to understand how it is rational to propose that (analogy) punching someone in the face is the best way to prevent people being punched in the face. Edited by SirParagon, Feb 9 2012, 05:57 AM.
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| + Pelador | Feb 9 2012, 06:01 AM Post #32 |
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Well I don't agree with that. An eye for an eye is not a practical, long term sollution to any problem. Of course dipomacy and understanding are better. There's always better sollutions than war. |
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| SirParagon | Feb 9 2012, 06:15 AM Post #33 |
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It is also important to understand that the government goes one step beyond 'eye for an eye', they propose it is morally incorrect to violate another person's property or harm others, yet do not hesitate inflicting such violations as a solution to their problems. All i ask for is a bit of consistency. 'Taking eyes is bad, but we can take your eyes because it is good' does not hold up in my EYES :p. Edited by SirParagon, Feb 9 2012, 06:15 AM.
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| Vince | Feb 9 2012, 06:18 AM Post #34 |
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communism and socialism cannot occur at the same time. They are exact opposites. the definition of communism is all aspects of the country controlled by government. socialism is where everything is free. Yes, you can have a little of both but it cannot have both of them fully a democratic country can have communistic tendencies like Russia and china do to day but it can't but a complete form of both. All ideologies from government can mix, in fact, all successful countries have mixed. But this topic is more centered on the sole idea of one theory not a mix. See there is a pattern in comparative politics "in theory" now think of this thread as theoretical and see if your answer changes. I believe that all countries have tendencies of all forms of gov't the thing is which one is more noticeable and shows out as the leading theory. It's like classifying a countries in 1st 2nd 3rd or 4th world. Its inaccurate because there is no set-in-stone term for any of these classifications therefore its hard to set one in one class well this is similar to a gov't's political theory. you can't classify a gov't as a direct communistic country because it will have flaws that are fixed by other theories. Basically the saying"politics are the same the world over, Governments promise to build a bridge where the is no water" fits perfect for my thesis among this. go figure nikita kruschev made this quote. so what it boils down to is, no matter how much we argue our points they can't be perfect. nothing is exact and nothing in politics is one dimensional. I can't tell you that your statement is wrong but its definitely not in form like the rest of us. Most of us are comapring these ideologies based on their "in theory" thesis's. So try and come up with a comparison based on their "IF" or "in theory" terminology. I guarantee your answer differs. |
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | Feb 9 2012, 06:53 AM Post #35 |
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Guy who made the list is assuming that undetermined capitalism you get free trade when it reality a few powerful corporations take over each market sector. As far as democracy goes, democracy is not the same as elections. If you have elections but the 2 major political parties are controlled by corporate executives then that is not a democracy. Also the whole point of socialism is to increase social mobility edit: and raise minimum living standards. I only have my phone for internet for 2 weeks so can't type a lot. Edited by TrunksinSwimmingTrunks, Feb 9 2012, 06:59 AM.
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| SirParagon | Feb 9 2012, 07:48 AM Post #36 |
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Corporations gain massive power through the court system, they stifle competition with licencing/patents, etc. A free market with government present is unfortunately a perversion. Again, I recommend everyone read that book I linked earlier in this thread. Also, frostt I think you're a little confused. Socialism essentially amounts to forced equality. There really is no reason to aim for perfect equality, living standards rise naturally with technology and innovation (makes things cheaper, opens up new opportunities). Simple example - compare the average specs, functionality and price of a low-end PC now to one 10 years ago. Edited by SirParagon, Feb 9 2012, 08:05 AM.
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| Vince | Feb 12 2012, 10:12 PM Post #37 |
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Socialism is taught as the idea that everything is shared. That's equality by force as you say maybe I typed it wrong but yes as where communism is where government controls all aspects of the country there are no private corporations. They can't be mixed completely what I intended to say is that you can have one and have tendency to be the other but you cant be both, |
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